500 lbs heavier + higher center of gravity means the 4R drives like an absolute pig. Length is certainly more ideal though, and an enclosed cargo area is better for the city no doubt. 4R is also wider than the Taco, it wouldn't fit down my street.
How much wider is the 4R?
2"
Doesn't sound enough to be significant. But my neighbor's Taco is the biggest thing on our street, and it's absolutely littered with side scrapes. Anything bigger is flat out no bueno. Would be super stressful to drive a Taco down the street as is. My 70" wide WRX is a nail biting event every time.
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:27 am
Y taco over 4Runner ? Taco is like 220 inches long in 4 door trim, vs 190 in the suv that makes more sense
500 lbs heavier + higher center of gravity means the 4R drives like an absolute pig. Length is certainly more ideal though, and an enclosed cargo area is better for the city no doubt. 4R is also wider than the Taco, it wouldn't fit down my street.
How can it be that different from the vehicle it is based on.
500 lbs heavier + higher center of gravity means the 4R drives like an absolute pig. Length is certainly more ideal though, and an enclosed cargo area is better for the city no doubt. 4R is also wider than the Taco, it wouldn't fit down my street.
How can it be that different from the vehicle it is based on.
Weight does make a difference dude. We had a 1999 F150 and a 2000 Expedition with the same drivelines and engines and all. The Expedition was a rolly polly turd, the F150 drove much more planted. This is the same thing. Adding a roof, windows, hatch elements, and all the bracing and bullshit that goes with it, all that extra 500 lbs is located 5-6' above the ground over the back axle, you feel it in the turns.
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am
How can it be that different from the vehicle it is based on.
Weight does make a difference dude. We had a 1999 F150 and a 2000 Expedition with the same drivelines and engines and all. The Expedition was a rolly polly turd, the F150 drove much more planted. This is the same thing. Adding a roof, windows, hatch elements, and all the bracing and bullshit that goes with it, all that extra 500 lbs is located 5-6' above the ground over the back axle, you feel it in the turns.
Weight does make a difference dude. We had a 1999 F150 and a 2000 Expedition with the same drivelines and engines and all. The Expedition was a rolly polly turd, the F150 drove much more planted. This is the same thing. Adding a roof, windows, hatch elements, and all the bracing and bullshit that goes with it, all that extra 500 lbs is located 5-6' above the ground over the back axle, you feel it in the turns.
all s are worthless garbage.
In a city a pickup bed becomes a homeless shelter, trash dump, cat home, etc. Covered storage is way better where I live. I just don't like body on frame SUVs, I think they drive like shit. The 4R was horrible.
In a city a pickup bed becomes a homeless shelter, trash dump, cat home, etc. Covered storage is way better where I live. I just don't like body on frame SUVs, I think they drive like shit. The 4R was horrible.
In a city a pickup bed becomes a homeless shelter, trash dump, cat home, etc. Covered storage is way better where I live. I just don't like body on frame SUVs, I think they drive like shit. The 4R was horrible.
New Blazer?
but probably not a bad call. V6 and a decent transmission. All the CUVs I've driven were better than the 4R. Every single one. Oh but it has a V6 doe not some rinky dinky piece of trash 4 banger.... it's also trying to move 4500 lbs of metal plus fat sacks and pushing all those 270 furious ponies through 5 gears so it's a wash. 0-60 is basically the same as a CX5.
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am
How can it be that different from the vehicle it is based on.
Weight does make a difference dude. We had a 1999 F150 and a 2000 Expedition with the same drivelines and engines and all. The Expedition was a rolly polly turd, the F150 drove much more planted. This is the same thing. Adding a roof, windows, hatch elements, and all the bracing and bullshit that goes with it, all that extra 500 lbs is located 5-6' above the ground over the back axle, you feel it in the turns.
A 4 door taco is 4450 and a 4 runner is 4750 I doubt that’ll make a world of difference. Both are heavy pigs and the 4 runner will have a superior rear suspension for driving since it doesn’t have leaf springs. I don’t see any reason to taco other than cost ?!
Weight does make a difference dude. We had a 1999 F150 and a 2000 Expedition with the same drivelines and engines and all. The Expedition was a rolly polly turd, the F150 drove much more planted. This is the same thing. Adding a roof, windows, hatch elements, and all the bracing and bullshit that goes with it, all that extra 500 lbs is located 5-6' above the ground over the back axle, you feel it in the turns.
A 4 door taco is 4450 and a 4 runner is 4750 I doubt that’ll make a world of difference. Both are heavy pigs and the 4 runner will have a superior rear suspension for driving since it doesn’t have leaf springs. I don’t see any reason to taco other than cost ?!
Go drive them both and you tell me. Weight is higher up on the 4R and it does weigh more. It lists HARD in turns. I hated it.
A 4 door taco is 4450 and a 4 runner is 4750 I doubt that’ll make a world of difference. Both are heavy pigs and the 4 runner will have a superior rear suspension for driving since it doesn’t have leaf springs. I don’t see any reason to taco other than cost ?!
Go drive them both and you tell me. Weight is higher up on the 4R and it does weigh more. It lists HARD in turns. I hated it.
I'm just goning to buy what you buy. As different as our situations are you seem to be looking at the same vehicles and you have the time to test drive.
A 4 door taco is 4450 and a 4 runner is 4750 I doubt that’ll make a world of difference. Both are heavy pigs and the 4 runner will have a superior rear suspension for driving since it doesn’t have leaf springs. I don’t see any reason to taco other than cost ?!
Go drive them both and you tell me. Weight is higher up on the 4R and it does weigh more. It lists HARD in turns. I hated it.
Both will ride like shitty heavy marshmallows ... that’s what they are supposed to do by design. If you wanted to go “lightweight” wrangler is the answer. It’s also more narrow and shorter than those two as well.
Go drive them both and you tell me. Weight is higher up on the 4R and it does weigh more. It lists HARD in turns. I hated it.
I'm just goning to buy what you buy. As different as our situations are you seem to be looking at the same vehicles and you have the time to test drive.
You prepared to wait a while? because I currently love the puppymobile.
Anyways, front runners are Mazda CX5 turbo, Rav4 possibly hybrid. Wild cards are Tacoma, JLU, hybrid crosstrek, or some old piece of shit cheap ass car.
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Go drive them both and you tell me. Weight is higher up on the 4R and it does weigh more. It lists HARD in turns. I hated it.
Both will ride like shitty heavy marshmallows ... that’s what they are supposed to do by design. If you wanted to go “lightweight” wrangler is the answer. It’s also more narrow and shorter than those two as well.
Yep it's not ruled out but likely will be after I drive it since apparently the wiggly jiggly suspension hasn't been corrected and really won't be because the suspension design isn't really any different.
I'm just goning to buy what you buy. As different as our situations are you seem to be looking at the same vehicles and you have the time to test drive.
You prepared to wait a while? because I currently love the puppymobile.
Anyways, front runners are Mazda CX5 turbo, Rav4 possibly hybrid. Wild cards are Tacoma, JLU, hybrid crosstrek, or some old piece of shit cheap ass car.
At the very least I will consider your driving impressions.
I gotta have something with a little higher ride height. I don't think I will do anything until I drive the new Rav
When the wife and kids are in Germany I plan on doing a lot of test driving.
You prepared to wait a while? because I currently love the puppymobile.
Anyways, front runners are Mazda CX5 turbo, Rav4 possibly hybrid. Wild cards are Tacoma, JLU, hybrid crosstrek, or some old piece of shit cheap ass car.
At the very least I will consider your driving impressions.
I gotta have something with a little higher ride height. I don't think I will do anything until I drive the new Rav
When the wife and kids are in Germany I plan on doing a lot of test driving.
I'd taco again but I'd take a harder look at the Frontier this time around. Realistically the leading option for me right now would be a lightly used v6 Silverado for around 25k. I'm probably about 2 years out from making auto changes though. By then I might have a take home work truck so who knows
dtraill27 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:06 pm
I'd taco again but I'd take a harder look at the Frontier this time around. Realistically the leading option for me right now would be a lightly used v6 Silverado for around 25k. I'm probably about 2 years out from making auto changes though. By then I might have a take home work truck so who knows
I like the Frontier. Just realllllly dated at this point and IMO not enough of a discount vs other trux.
Tacomaworld 3rd Gen forum was a strange place. A ton of fan boys but also a ton of people who bought it and hated it compared to their 2nd Gen
Oh so it's a Wrangler board? Any posts about driving shirtless or flat out naked?
Off roaders are strange people
Best were the threads of people talking about how the "wrangler lost it's edge" how the windshield is too RAKED. How the last gen was just superior in the most retarded ways.
Look at all that RAKE... UNLIVABLE now.
Oh so it's a Wrangler board? Any posts about driving shirtless or flat out naked?
Off roaders are strange people
Best were the threads of people talking about how the "wrangler lost it's edge" how the windshield is too RAKED. How the last gen was just superior in the most retarded ways.
Look at all that RAKE... UNLIVABLE now.
Oh so it's a Wrangler board? Any posts about driving shirtless or flat out naked?
Off roaders are strange people
Best were the threads of people talking about how the "wrangler lost it's edge" how the windshield is too RAKED. How the last gen was just superior in the most retarded ways.
Look at all that RAKE... UNLIVABLE now.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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s are worthless garbage.
but probably not a bad call. V6 and a decent transmission. All the CUVs I've driven were better than the 4R. Every single one. Oh but it has a V6 doe not some rinky dinky piece of trash 4 banger.... it's also trying to move 4500 lbs of metal plus fat sacks and pushing all those 270 furious ponies through 5 gears so it's a wash. 0-60 is basically the same as a CX5.
that’s what they are supposed to do by design. If you wanted to go “lightweight” wrangler is the answer. It’s also more narrow and shorter than those two as well.
because I currently love the puppymobile.
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