Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:59 pm
You mean increased production = increased sales?
Well it is amazing how MUCH MORE they were able to move... I don't think they were that production capped... WHO TF are all these jeep buyers... The ASP is around 37-40k on the old one and 45k on the new one...
They have a new plant (well, new for Wrangler) so production is way higher than it's been before. I'm sure they have incentives piled on the old ones to help move them, so I'd expect YOY comparisons to be down next year.
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Well it is amazing how MUCH MORE they were able to move... I don't think they were that production capped... WHO TF are all these jeep buyers... The ASP is around 37-40k on the old one and 45k on the new one...
They have a new plant (well, new for Wrangler) so production is way higher than it's been before. I'm sure they have incentives piled on the old ones to help move them, so I'd expect YOY comparisons to be down next year.
They may... but at this point they'll have the Scrambler.... and a full 500k unit capacity at the plant...
Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the spotless Jeep
Well it is amazing how MUCH MORE they were able to move... I don't think they were that production capped... WHO TF are all these jeep buyers... The ASP is around 37-40k on the old one and 45k on the new one...
They have a new plant (well, new for Wrangler) so production is way higher than it's been before. I'm sure they have incentives piled on the old ones to help move them, so I'd expect YOY comparisons to be down next year.
Oh I didn't realize the plant was new as well. Yeah I'd wait a year or more for sure.
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Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:08 pm
They have a new plant (well, new for Wrangler) so production is way higher than it's been before. I'm sure they have incentives piled on the old ones to help move them, so I'd expect YOY comparisons to be down next year.
They may... but at this point they'll have the Scrambler.... and a full 500k unit capacity at the plant...
I've heard that the Scrambler is only forecast for like 30k units annually or something.
But yea, that capacity is insane. I don't know how residuals will survive that much volume.
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Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:08 pm
They have a new plant (well, new for Wrangler) so production is way higher than it's been before. I'm sure they have incentives piled on the old ones to help move them, so I'd expect YOY comparisons to be down next year.
Oh I didn't realize the plant was new as well. Yeah I'd wait a year or more for sure.
It's not a "new" plant, just new for Wrangler. They moved Cherokee out of Toledo and replaced it with Wrangler there. It's actually where they're building the new one, the old one is still in the "old" plant. Pretty brilliant build-out plan, TBH.
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Oh I didn't realize the plant was new as well. Yeah I'd wait a year or more for sure.
It's not a "new" plant, just new for Wrangler. They moved Cherokee out of Toledo and replaced it with Wrangler there. It's actually where they're building the new one, the old one is still in the "old" plant. Pretty brilliant build-out plan, TBH.
It's a new chassis to all the people and machines in that plant. Good idea overall for them, just means it's going to have little build quality issues until they get all the stuff sorted out and people familiar with building ox carts instead of modern vehicles.
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Oh I didn't realize the plant was new as well. Yeah I'd wait a year or more for sure.
It's not a "new" plant, just new for Wrangler. They moved Cherokee out of Toledo and replaced it with Wrangler there. It's actually where they're building the new one, the old one is still in the "old" plant. Pretty brilliant build-out plan, TBH.
New JL is built where the cherokee used to be built. As of 3/31 they stopped making the JK and are now converting it to make the scrambler by october.
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Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:14 pm
It's not a "new" plant, just new for Wrangler. They moved Cherokee out of Toledo and replaced it with Wrangler there. It's actually where they're building the new one, the old one is still in the "old" plant. Pretty brilliant build-out plan, TBH.
It's a new chassis to all the people and machines in that plant. Good idea overall for them, just means it's going to have little build quality issues until they get all the stuff sorted out and people familiar with building ox carts instead of modern vehicles.
So far the new one hasn't had anything catastrophic yet. Quality seems to be quite good. A few random issues on the forum but overall at all.
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It's a new chassis to all the people and machines in that plant. Good idea overall for them, just means it's going to have little build quality issues until they get all the stuff sorted out and people familiar with building ox carts instead of modern vehicles.
So far the new one hasn't had anything catastrophic yet. Quality seems to be quite good. A few random issues on the forum but overall at all.
That's really good to hear. FCA needs a home run with this vehicle.
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So far the new one hasn't had anything catastrophic yet. Quality seems to be quite good. A few random issues on the forum but overall at all.
That's really good to hear. FCA needs a home run with this vehicle.
It shouldn't be that complex, TBH. The electrical bits are the most concerning, but I feel like they had to have figured those out well in advance of production. Nothing is unique on it.
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That's really good to hear. FCA needs a home run with this vehicle.
It shouldn't be that complex, TBH. The electrical bits are the most concerning, but I feel like they had to have figured those out well in advance of production. Nothing is unique on it.
when you look at the vehicles side by side etc... it seems REALLY similar to the old one. Even hard to tell em apart. A lot fo the "electronics" are straight up partsbin. The dash/jewconnect etc are all shared with other FCA vehicles with just some graphics.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:14 pm
by dtraill27
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Not yet. He's the guy from Winding Road youtube channel. He typically gets press loaners.
Last time that happened I saw a sport with a 8.4 Jewconnect + various other sahara bits, a combo you couldn't get period.
I'd wait to see the final units hit the damn that two door roll out is taking forever... they started building the JLU in NOVEMBER
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm
by Johnny_P
I really want to like the JLU. Priced some out on website:
Sport S poverty model - $41,550
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 7"
-Alpine stereo
Rubicon - $47,555
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 8" with nav (was only $300 more than base poverty radio as an infotainment package?)
-Alpine stereo
Man these things are stupid expensive anymore
Neither of these +$40k vehicles have seat heaters or acceptable headlights either.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:29 pm
by Apex
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm
I really want to like the JLU. Priced some out on website:
Sport S poverty model - $41,550
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 7"
-Alpine stereo
Rubicon - $47,555
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 8" with nav (was only $300 more than base poverty radio as an infotainment package?)
-Alpine stereo
Man these things are stupid expensive anymore
Neither of these +$40k vehicles have seat heaters or acceptable headlights either.
Rubi doesn't come with LEDs?
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Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm
I really want to like the JLU. Priced some out on website:
Sport S poverty model - $41,550
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 7"
-Alpine stereo
Rubicon - $47,555
-Automatic
-Hard top with headliner
-Uconnect 8" with nav (was only $300 more than base poverty radio as an infotainment package?)
-Alpine stereo
Man these things are stupid expensive anymore
Neither of these +$40k vehicles have seat heaters or acceptable headlights either.
Rubi doesn't come with LEDs?
$900 extra
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
It's insane how expensive Wranglers got...and continue to sell for. Won't last,
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 5:44 pm
by dubshow
Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm
It's insane how expensive Wranglers got...and continue to sell for. Won't last,
thats why I can mine. Well, i NEED to mine.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 6:48 pm
by CorvetteWaxer
Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm
It's insane how expensive Wranglers got...and continue to sell for. Won't last,
They MSRP creep every year.
A 2018 JK just like my 2015 was $3400 more expensive with no actual updates, just model year increments. This kept my value up. I only "lost" about $6k in in depreciation in 3 years and just under 30k miles.
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Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm
It's insane how expensive Wranglers got...and continue to sell for. Won't last,
They MSRP creep every year.
A 2018 JK just like my 2015 was $3400 more expensive with no actual updates, just model year increments. This kept my value up. I only "lost" about $6k in in depreciation in 3 years and just under 30k miles.
That is lack of depreciation.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 1:00 pm
by SAWCE
Filled up last Sunday. Used a quarter of a tank commuting back and forth to work last week and dinking around town a bit. Wound up driving up to Lancaster yesterday to see my mom. That, plus driving around in town up here used the rest of the tank. Just filled up and calculated 19mpg for that tank probably got a good 20mpg on the freeway up here yesterday doing 70 for the most part with a little traffic where there was some construction on the 5.
New JL is built where the cherokee used to be built. As of 3/31 they stopped making the JK and are now converting it to make the scrambler 
by october.
at all.
'ing
graphics.
damn that two door roll out is taking forever... they started building the JLU in NOVEMBER
website:
lack of depreciation.
I didn't think sold 2 door JLs yet...
mine. Well, i NEED to