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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:14 pm
by max225
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:12 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:30 pm
Since this is now a gas thread would be nice to see your actual therms/ccfs used
Ok.
11/29 thru 12/29/21
Delivery charges at $53.00
229.73 therms used at $.1067 = 24.51
Monthly customer chg = $23.55
Volume Balancing adj $.0028 = $.64
Environmental cost recovery $.0075 = $1,72
Franchise cost adj = $.19
Efficiency program $.0086 = $1.98
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $3.43 @ .68% = $.02
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $47.99 @ .58% = $.28
Tax cost adj $.0005 = $.11
Natl Gas Cost 229.73 x $.68 = $156.22
Taxes (not bothering to include the breakdown. I can if you want)
$16.49
Total of bolded =
$225.71
Questions?
None if you were in california you'd pay 229.75*2.46~$565
+ taxes/etc which another $70 ! 640 ish?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:20 pm
by wap
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:14 pm
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:12 pm
Ok.
11/29 thru 12/29/21
Delivery charges at $53.00
229.73 therms used at $.1067 = 24.51
Monthly customer chg = $23.55
Volume Balancing adj $.0028 = $.64
Environmental cost recovery $.0075 = $1,72
Franchise cost adj = $.19
Efficiency program $.0086 = $1.98
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $3.43 @ .68% = $.02
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $47.99 @ .58% = $.28
Tax cost adj $.0005 = $.11
Natl Gas Cost 229.73 x $.68 = $156.22
Taxes (not bothering to include the breakdown. I can if you want)
$16.49
Total of bolded =
$225.71
Questions?
None if you were in california you'd pay 229.75*2.46~$565
+ taxes/etc which another $70 ! 640 ish?
Yikes.
I should have mentioned that I don't understand most of that
in my bill.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:41 pm
by wap
Getting back to electricity, my 'leccy bill is even more confusing,
It says I used 16.7 kwh, but elsewhere it says I used 484kwh
In a nutshell,
Supply was $35.22
Delivery was $32.38
Taxes and
fees were $8.28
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:45 pm
by max225
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:41 pm
Getting back to electricity, my 'leccy bill is even more confusing,
It says I used 16.7 kwh, but elsewhere it says I used 484kwh
In a nutshell,
Supply was $35.22
Delivery was $32.38
Taxes and
fees were $8.28
So your total cost was ~$84 for 484 kw? which seems ~17c per kw.
but not great.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:05 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:47 pm
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:38 pm
It was a requirement for us, 0/7 want to deal with propane.
Which pushes us into a
area since the more affordable areas are still propane. I bet our gas costs are higher than other regions as a result. I don't have any old bills from out Detroit house to compare.
Interestingly when I bought the gas grill for the place in Mexico I had it fitted with LP nipples...............only to find that the entire 6 tower condo complex is fueled by huge propane tanks. No muni gas to the project.
And I imagine gas use is minimal. No real heating demand, probably just for cooking stove/grill. Probably very little municipal gas in the entire country.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:12 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:12 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:30 pm
Since this is now a gas thread would be nice to see your actual therms/ccfs used
Ok.
11/29 thru 12/29/21
Delivery charges at $53.00
229.73 therms used at $.1067 = 24.51
Monthly customer chg = $23.55
Volume Balancing adj $.0028 = $.64
Environmental cost recovery $.0075 = $1,72
Franchise cost adj = $.19
Efficiency program $.0086 = $1.98
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $3.43 @ .68% = $.02
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $47.99 @ .58% = $.28
Tax cost adj $.0005 = $.11
Natl Gas Cost 229.73 x $.68 = $156.22
Taxes (not bothering to include the breakdown. I can if you want)
$16.49
Total of bolded =
$225.71
Questions?
Crazy, zero consistency with yours and mine on billing. BUT Max posted that 1 CCF is 1.03 Therm, so essentially 1:1. You indeed use more and pay more in total with fees and taxes than I do. Total/use is pretty similar.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:44 pm
by wap
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:45 pm
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:41 pm
Getting back to electricity, my 'leccy bill is even more confusing,
It says I used 16.7 kwh, but elsewhere it says I used 484kwh
In a nutshell,
Supply was $35.22
Delivery was $32.38
Taxes and
fees were $8.28's
So your total cost was ~$84 for 484 kw? which seems ~17c per kw.
but not great.
$75.88, but yeah.
Can you assplain whats the difference between 16.7 kwh and 484 kwh?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:49 pm
by wap
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:12 pm
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:12 pm
Ok.
11/29 thru 12/29/21
Delivery charges at $53.00
229.73 therms used at $.1067 = 24.51
Monthly customer chg = $23.55
Volume Balancing adj $.0028 = $.64
Environmental cost recovery $.0075 = $1,72
Franchise cost adj = $.19
Efficiency program $.0086 = $1.98
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $3.43 @ .68% = $.02
Qualified Infrastructure chrg $47.99 @ .58% = $.28
Tax cost adj $.0005 = $.11
Natl Gas Cost 229.73 x $.68 = $156.22
Taxes (not bothering to include the breakdown. I can if you want)
$16.49
Total of bolded =
$225.71
Questions?
Crazy, zero consistency with yours and mine on billing. BUT Max posted that 1 CCF is 1.03 Therm, so essentially 1:1. You indeed use more and pay more in total with fees and taxes than I do. Total/use is pretty similar.
What was your last gas bill again?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:03 pm
by max225
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:44 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:45 pm
So your total cost was ~$84 for 484 kw? which seems ~17c per kw.
but not great.
$75.88, but yeah.
Can you assplain whats the difference between 16.7 kwh and 484 kwh?
That I’m not sure you may have a “multiple supplier” sitch. Some power companies try to say part of the energy is “green”
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:03 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:49 pm
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:12 pm
Crazy, zero consistency with yours and mine on billing. BUT Max posted that 1 CCF is 1.03 Therm, so essentially 1:1. You indeed use more and pay more in total with fees and taxes than I do. Total/use is pretty similar.
What was your last gas bill again?
$167.30 total for 201 CCF
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:17 pm
by wap
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:03 pm
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:49 pm
What was your last gas bill again?
$167.30 total for 201 CCF
Got it. But your 'leccy bill was more than mine, right?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:33 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:17 pm
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:03 pm
$167.30 total for 201 CCF
Got it. But your 'leccy bill was more than mine, right?
$140
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:49 pm
by wap
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:33 pm
wap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:17 pm
Got it. But your 'leccy bill was more than mine, right?
$140
Whoa. Almost double. And we light a shit-ton of Christmas lights in December, too.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:16 pm
by Desertbreh
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:05 pm
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:47 pm
Interestingly when I bought the gas grill for the place in Mexico I had it fitted with LP nipples...............only to find that the entire 6 tower condo complex is fueled by huge propane tanks. No muni gas to the project.
And I imagine gas use is minimal. No real heating demand, probably just for cooking stove/grill. Probably very little municipal gas in the entire country.
Well actually that is not the case. Although I put A/C in the place I have fired up the compressor................twice. The heater gets a major workout in the November to February mornings brah, I've got 95% humidity, total marine layer and mid 50s going on outside. I also have a gas stove. There seems to be this Mexico misconception that every place is hot but I moved to an oceanfront location 20 miles south of San Diego.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 pm
by Desertbreh
The fact that Brandon has ZERO HEAT.............is
to me.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:21 pm
by max225
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 pm
The fact that Brandon has ZERO HEAT.............is
to me.
Didn’t he mention that a 1100 sq foot place is double his current location so it makes sense
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 pm
by Desertbreh
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:21 pm
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:18 pm
The fact that Brandon has ZERO HEAT.............is
to me.
Didn’t he mention that a 1100 sq foot place is double his current location so it makes sense
Yeah but the San Dog town gets a little chilly from time to time. You are saying portable heaters and donezo?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:25 pm
by max225
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:21 pm
Didn’t he mention that a 1100 sq foot place is double his current location so it makes sense
Yeah but the San Dog town gets a little chilly from time to time. You are saying portable heaters and donezo?
If he is at 650 sq ft or so.. he is proportionally at the same gas usage as I am at 1900. And we’re at the same climate at the moment. SD is slightly warmer actually
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:26 pm
by wap
HOLD THE BUS
I just realized I
'd out and posted November's electric bill.
:moran:
Here's my December bill:
631 kwh
$45.92 supply
$37.91 delivery
$10.69 taxes and fees
$94.92 total
So about $320 combined gas and electric for December.
I am an idiot.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:29 am
by Desertbreh
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:25 pm
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 pm
Yeah but the San Dog town gets a little chilly from time to time. You are saying portable heaters and donezo?
If he is at 650 sq ft or so.. he is proportionally at the same gas usage as I am at 1900. And we’re at the same climate at the moment. SD is slightly warmer actually
You're losing me. He has ZERO HVAC.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:01 am
by max225
SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:31 pm
Last month's gas bill for us was $52.84 for 24 therms. That includes $2.38 for taxes and fees. SDG&E charges for the Gas Service, and then an additional Gas Energy charge. Gas service for the first 22 days (17 therms) was $1.38238/therm, then there was a rate increase to $1.43201/therm for the remaining 10 days (7 therms). Gas energy charge was billed at $.65194/therms and $.83668/therms respectively.
We don't have heat in our house
But standard gas water heater with me showering 2x most days, and cooking at least once every day, plus Michelle's showers and cooking...
The fk… I missed the part with no heat?! How is there so much gas usage then … we use 10 therms a month with no heat … and gas stove
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:01 am
by max225
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:29 am
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:25 pm
If he is at 650 sq ft or so.. he is proportionally at the same gas usage as I am at 1900. And we’re at the same climate at the moment. SD is slightly warmer actually
You're losing me. He has ZERO HVAC.
10-4 I glanced over that
scenario
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:24 am
by goIftdibrad
I know that one man is not directly responsible for this, but still, on principle, fuck joe biden. For many things, but in this example actively destroying the energy economy and driving up cost (for those that can least afford it as well). this kind of increase in NG cost will show up as anywhere between a 2x or 3x factor in electric bills where the utility relies heavily on NG fired electricity generation too. Thank god here in his country we get over half our power from falling water and splittin atoms.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:16 am
by SAWCE
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:21 pm
Didn’t he mention that a 1100 sq foot place is double his current location so it makes sense
Yeah but the San Dog town gets a little chilly from time to time. You are saying portable heaters and donezo?
We don't even use portable heaters
Michelle throws some extra blankets on her side of the bed and I'm good even in the coldest of San Diego winter nights under just a basic bitch blanket.. shit I still sweat most nights. We also have a 75lb German Shepherd dumping all her body heat into our bed at night as well though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:18 am
by SAWCE
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:01 am
SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:31 pm
Last month's gas bill for us was $52.84 for 24 therms. That includes $2.38 for taxes and fees. SDG&E charges for the Gas Service, and then an additional Gas Energy charge. Gas service for the first 22 days (17 therms) was $1.38238/therm, then there was a rate increase to $1.43201/therm for the remaining 10 days (7 therms). Gas energy charge was billed at $.65194/therms and $.83668/therms respectively.
We don't have heat in our house
But standard gas water heater with me showering 2x most days, and cooking at least once every day, plus Michelle's showers and cooking...
The fk… I missed the part with no heat?! How is there so much gas usage then … we use 10 therms a month with no heat … and gas stove
I think just from how much we both cook, plus the showers. She takes unreasonably hot and long showers, and I could for sure cut the time that I'm in there down. Not sure what else would be using gas at all.