To this point (it's way more $$$), but I think the Gladiator kills it. He could have his 4WD but it's also new, has a really nice interior, comes in cool colors.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 amI just would rather stretch a bit more on the cost and get something that is much nicer than save a couple bucks and buy the pleb truck and have to look at this crap all the time:Melon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:40 am I don't give a fuck how I'm perceived.
That being said, the Frontier would be a downgrade, both in terms of towing capability and fit and finish.
Still, towing reviews seem to fit with the weight I'd be towing, and something manual and 4WD would be fun.
All things to think about for sure.
That plastic is terribro.
Also, they are supposed to redesign the truck next year, so I would definitely not buy the last of the turds when the new one is coming.
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The one I linked is about the top amount of what I'd be willing to pay, even that is not ideal.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am I just would rather stretch a bit more on the cost and get something that is much nicer than save a couple bucks and buy the pleb truck and have to look at this crap all the time:
If I swap vehicles, I'd like to lower my monthly overhead if possible.
Also a good point.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am Also, they are supposed to redesign the truck next year, so I would definitely not buy the last of the turds when the new one is coming.
Why I'd never buy one @ full MSRP.
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Tow rating with a manual is much lower than the automatic.D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:51 amTo this point (it's way more $$$), but I think the Gladiator kills it. He could have his 4WD but it's also new, has a really nice interior, comes in cool colors.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am
I just would rather stretch a bit more on the cost and get something that is much nicer than save a couple bucks and buy the pleb truck and have to look at this crap all the time:
That plastic is terribro.
Also, they are supposed to redesign the truck next year, so I would definitely not buy the last of the turds when the new one is coming.
But, if I had a gladiator, I'd have to look at it.
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I love the Wranglers, but after seeing the Gladiators in person it reinforced my opinion that the truck is ugly and out of proportions. Also, it needs to be cheaper. A $60k truck to me better be a full-sized with a diesel that will tow at least 11k pounds. Would buy the Ram 2500 Laramie every day of the week and twice on Sunday over a Gladiator.
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Other than the aesthetics, it doesn't meet my needs, so it's crossed off the list.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:01 amI love the Wranglers, but after seeing the Gladiators in person it reinforced my opinion that the truck is ugly and out of proportions. Also, it needs to be cheaper. A $60k truck to me better be a full-sized with a diesel that will tow at least 11k pounds. Would buy the Ram 2500 Laramie every day of the week and twice on Sunday over a Gladiator.
The price is way too high for me as well.
I'm still toying with the idea of an '06-ish Ram 2500
Go big or go home, right?
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YES.Melon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:13 amOther than the aesthetics, it doesn't meet my needs, so it's crossed off the list.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:01 am
I love the Wranglers, but after seeing the Gladiators in person it reinforced my opinion that the truck is ugly and out of proportions. Also, it needs to be cheaper. A $60k truck to me better be a full-sized with a diesel that will tow at least 11k pounds. Would buy the Ram 2500 Laramie every day of the week and twice on Sunday over a Gladiator.
The price is way too high for me as well.
I'm still toying with the idea of an '06-ish Ram 2500
Go big or go home, right?
I would probably do the newest Ram 2500 that fits into what you want to pay.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:17 amYES.
I would probably do the newest Ram 2500 that fits into what you want to pay.
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Melon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:20 amCorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:17 am
YES.
I would probably do the newest Ram 2500 that fits into what you want to pay.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... pe=listing
I would never rock this, but can't deny that it is quite cool.Melon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:20 amCorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:17 am
YES.
I would probably do the newest Ram 2500 that fits into what you want to pay.
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I drove your's, I liked it.[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:17 pm Frontier had better interior packaging with worse plastics. I had far more usable storage space in the Frontier than I did in the Colorado, which I found out when I went to transfer my shit over at point of sale. It's an honest design, drives well, the Pro-4X rides as nice as the ZR2 IMO on the street, and it can be had with a with a solid engine.
Mine also towed my across the very hilly state of PA at 75 MPH without an issue.
It's an honest truck that's had all the issues worked out - underneath it's a scaled down Titan. So it's overbuilt for Midsize duty. Is Nissan a brand that caters to the subprime? Sure. But so is
So many people are all wrapped up in status, and really... the Frontier is the best honest truck of the bunch. No fluff, all stuff.
It will suit my needs, should I decide to go that route.
For reference, sticker in my Ram was 52k and leased it for $423 a month with 0 down. Selling price was 39k I think, I'd have to check the paperwork to be sure.
Almost unchanged from the Nismo Frontier Crew cab I bought brand new in 2007CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 amI just would rather stretch a bit more on the cost and get something that is much nicer than save a couple bucks and buy the pleb truck and have to look at this crap all the time:Melon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:40 am I don't give a fuck how I'm perceived.
That being said, the Frontier would be a downgrade, both in terms of towing capability and fit and finish.
Still, towing reviews seem to fit with the weight I'd be towing, and something manual and 4WD would be fun.
All things to think about for sure.
That plastic is terribro.
Also, they are supposed to redesign the truck next year, so I would definitely not buy the last of the turds when the new one is coming.
[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:17 pm Frontier had better interior packaging with worse plastics. I had far more usable storage space in the Frontier than I did in the Colorado, which I found out when I went to transfer my shit over at point of sale. It's an honest design, drives well, the Pro-4X rides as nice as the ZR2 IMO on the street, and it can be had with a with a solid engine.
Mine also towed my across the very hilly state of PA at 75 MPH without an issue.
It's an honest truck that's had all the issues worked out - underneath it's a scaled down Titan. So it's overbuilt for Midsize duty. Is Nissan a brand that caters to the subprime? Sure. But so is
So many people are all wrapped up in status, and really... the Frontier is the best honest truck of the bunch. No fluff, all stuff.
You don't know anything about the Nissan Frontier or Chevy Colorado.
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The current generation in the US/Canada was last redesigned in 2004.KYGTIGuy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:45 pmAlmost unchanged from the Nismo Frontier Crew cab I bought brand new in 2007CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am
I just would rather stretch a bit more on the cost and get something that is much nicer than save a couple bucks and buy the pleb truck and have to look at this crap all the time:
That plastic is terribro.
Also, they are supposed to redesign the truck next year, so I would definitely not buy the last of the turds when the new one is coming.
2004!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Navara
I'm obviously but in many cases older versions of cars but new would be the best. Way less shit to break, more direct driving experience, better steering, lighter weight... If I could trade my 328i for a brand new 1995 328i... I would do it in a heart beat.
Is that a true strategy by Nissan or is it just rumor?CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:13 amI cannot support this.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:30 am Backup Plan:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... d=70839075
I know [user not found] loved his, but these trucks are pure shit on the inside. My Xterra was a complete pile as far as the interior quality goes. There's a really good reason they are so damned cheap....
Plus, do you want to be seen as someone with a sub-500 credit score that thinks they are flexing with a new truck with a 14% APR loan ? That's the demographic Nissan focuses on and most people know it.
The exterior looks great even today. But that interior is heinoCorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:28 pmThe current generation in the US/Canada was last redesigned in 2004.
2004!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Navara
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Well, I've seen it.KYGTIGuy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 pmIs that a true strategy by Nissan or is it just rumor?CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:13 am
I cannot support this.
I know [user not found] loved his, but these trucks are pure shit on the inside. My Xterra was a complete pile as far as the interior quality goes. There's a really good reason they are so damned cheap....
Plus, do you want to be seen as someone with a sub-500 credit score that thinks they are flexing with a new truck with a 14% APR loan ? That's the demographic Nissan focuses on and most people know it.
When I bought the Xterra in 2011 the dealer tried to pull some shit telling me I had "bad automotive credit" and that my normal FICO was great, but they couldn't get me a good APR due to my poor history of car loans..
I was done with that dealership and had a very similar BS encounter with the other local Nissan dealer when I was in for service and inquired about a GTR.
They are bottom feeders. I think the only car they have that they even remotely care what your finances are like is the GTR. Everything else they will jack up an APR and approve people that have no ability to actually pay the loan. Just like the home loan bubble financing to illegals with no jobs.
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Oh yeah, that would make my blood boil.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:55 pmWell, I've seen it.
When I bought the Xterra in 2011 the dealer tried to pull some shit telling me I had "bad automotive credit" and that my normal FICO was great, but they couldn't get me a good APR due to my poor history of car loans..
I was done with that dealership and had a very similar BS encounter with the other local Nissan dealer when I was in for service and inquired about a GTR.
They are bottom feeders. I think the only car they have that they even remotely care what your finances are like is the GTR. Everything else they will jack up an APR and approve people that have no ability to actually pay the loan. Just like the home loan bubble financing to illegals with no jobs.
"Bad automotive credit"