It's Really OK If Japan Dumps Radioactive Fukushima Water Into The Ocean
James ConcaContributor
Energy
I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
In a news briefing in Tokyo earlier this week, Japan’s Minister of the Environment, Yoshiaki Harada, told reporters that Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) will have to dump radioactive water from its crippled Fukushima nuclear power plants into the Pacific Ocean.
This means that such reactors could not suffer from a loss of cooling leading to a meltdown.
See....I feel like this is the real answer to sustainable energy. It's so damned clean and efficient, these developments should have been working for decades. Public fear of meltdowns and whatnot probably make nuke a non-starter in most areas
This means that such reactors could not suffer from a loss of cooling leading to a meltdown.
See....I feel like this is the real answer to sustainable energy. It's so damned clean and efficient, these developments should have been working for decades. Public fear of meltdowns and whatnot probably make nuke a non-starter in most areas
SAD!
very but we are so far behind due of terrible policy and fear mongering. When the .gov doubles down on revision 1 and locks it in as mandate instead of allowing energy to evolve, this is what you get. SAD!
See....I feel like this is the real answer to sustainable energy. It's so damned clean and efficient, these developments should have been working for decades. Public fear of meltdowns and whatnot probably make nuke a non-starter in most areas
SAD!
very but we are so far behind due of terrible policy and fear mongering. When the .gov doubles down on revision 1 and locks it in as mandate instead of allowing energy to evolve, this is what you get. SAD!
Chernobyl was more a failure of .gov management than anything else.
Which I guess says a lot about the global capacity for smart people to be allowed to make smart decisions. Politics always gets in the way.
Yes, but it was still used as an example for garnering opposition to nuclear power.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
by max225
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:12 pm
by Huckleberry
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
Build them on Indian reservations.They're no-go zones anyways.
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
Build them on Indian reservations.They're no-go zones anyways.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm
by dubshow
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
We area also unable to progress the generations of the technology due to archaic regulation.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:49 pm
by goIftdibrad
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
Common misconception. Chernobyl, yes. That's as bad as it gets. But they even operated units 1 2 and 3 for many years after the accident. Tmi had insignificant release to the public. Other unit has been online for 30 plus years and is shutting down for economic reasons.
Fukushima was not that bad, only bad on TV because money, gov, and the Japanese had a bad experience before
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm
There is also Fukushima... 3 mile island... These are not "one off events" we have proven over time that the smartest most redundant laden systems still fail because of
The problem is... once shit fails... things turn into no go zones for eternity.
Common misconception. Chernobyl, yes. That's as bad as it gets. But they even operated units 1 2 and 3 for many years after the accident. Tmi had insignificant release to the public. Other unit has been online for 30 plus years and is shutting down for economic reasons.
Fukushima was not that bad, only bad on TV because money, gov, and the Japanese had a bad experience before
I am not trying to argue... how on earth was fukushima "not bad" it was saved by the fact that it just nuked the ocean as the wind blew it over nothing, as opposed to europe. The japs were smart enough to build it in a location that allowed for a total meltdown of 2 reactors without much fall out.
Also they are running out of storage space for the radioactive water...
Common misconception. Chernobyl, yes. That's as bad as it gets. But they even operated units 1 2 and 3 for many years after the accident. Tmi had insignificant release to the public. Other unit has been online for 30 plus years and is shutting down for economic reasons.
Fukushima was not that bad, only bad on TV because money, gov, and the Japanese had a bad experience before
I am not trying to argue... how on earth was fukushima "not bad" it was saved by the fact that it just nuked the ocean as the wind blew it over nothing, as opposed to europe. The japs were smart enough to build it in a location that allowed for a total meltdown of 2 reactors without much fall out.
Also they are running out of storage space for the radioactive water...
Didn't they also release a lot of that radioactive water into the ocean and it wasn't super duper bad radioactive water?
I wanna say I read that it wasn't such a horrible thing but I can't remember the source
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:43 pm
by max225
The solution for pollution is dilution. IMO its way more difficult to measure what happened in fukushima because most of it blew into the ocean. And Japanese are at least as secretive as the Russians, they will never admit fault, hell they don't even admit WWII happened. Not saying that the release may have been smaller, but we may never know...
3 reactors blew at fukUshima, blew the containment buildings to shreds and melted through them creating their own elephant foots... I don't see how it would be a smaller release unless somehow the russian uranium was far more potent.
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:27 am
by goIftdibrad
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:43 pm
3 reactors blew at fukUshima, blew the containment buildings to shreds and melted through them creating their own elephant foots... I don't see how it would be a smaller release unless somehow the russian uranium was far more potent.
The two plants used very different designs and the GE bwr in Japan has many more safety features
The explosion you saw on TV was a hydrogen explosion from H2 that gathered at the roof and found a spark, NOT a steam, reactor explosion like Chernobyl. I'm short....the reactor core was never exposed to raw atmosphere like in Chernobyl.
While the Fukushima reactor did melt, (so did TMI), it likely has not breached the secondary containment vessel. This is a feature Chernobyl did not have. Once through the pressure vessel the coruim could go wherever in Chernobyl. In Japan, it's likely all colleted somewhere between the wet well and the dry well.
Fukushima power plant was also a slow, entirely predicable disaster. There are entire books written on how and why, but a few take home messages:
The tusamni crippled the ability of the gov to respond and knocked out off-site power.
Putting the generators in the basement in a tusamni zone is a fundemental design flaw.
Not interlinking the power systems of the other units is a design flaw (a regulatory one)
And not having station blackout procedure after the 8 hours of instrumentation battery died. This is important because after the 8 hours was up they sat on their hands and basically allowed this to happen.
Just trying to educate here...
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:34 am
by goIftdibrad
[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:33 am
Why is no one talking about my moon laser idea?