DFD

They said it couldn't be done.

They said we should pay more.

They wanted a on $5 pizzas and the tried to limit our sugar soda intake

Some were perpetually and Some were called

They said, fat boys just can't race. They said we'd never fit.

With our backs squished against the wall, we had no were else to turn. So we made a racing team. We got a "slow" car, by all accounts.

We went and found a

On saturday, and set out on an adventure. And came home with a racing car. No plates required.

1964 Kellison-Crusader Formula Vee

1600cc motor

4 speed

4 - 20x7.2x13 old hoosiers brah

-ran when parked-

normal racing seat in Murica fat boy size.

Trailer dolly?

Apex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:11 pm Trailer dolly?

yeah, seller threw it in. Fax has photos of guys #1 warehouse.

Ray ray would be proud.

Dat air cooled powah.

Top end on this nasty bitch?

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:50 pm Top end on this nasty bitch?

Bout tree-fiddy.

Does it handle like a "GO Kart"

I am so excited to get this mofo racin

How much powah is that bitch making?

wap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:21 pm How much powah is that bitch making?

engine should be good for anywhere between 60-80 hp. Lots of factors to consider, and we have to get it running correctly to even attempt to gauge this.

I know its not alot but it's also has a min weight of 1k WITH the driver, so i imagine the car itself is under 1k.

wap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:21 pm How much powah is that bitch making?

Isn't it supposed to be based on a VW beetle? So Around 50-70hp if fully "built"

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pm

wap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:21 pm How much powah is that bitch making?

Isn't it supposed to be based on a VW beetle? So Around 50-70hp if fully "built"

Basically under 100hp is the limit on this setup.

80hp on a good build is very possible. Also "fully" built is sub $800 of hot shit parts for maximum powah. If we pop this and go "big" to 1915cc you can make around 120-130hp but start to really battle heat in a race setup.

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:36 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pm

Isn't it supposed to be based on a VW beetle? So Around 50-70hp if fully "built"

Basically under 100hp is the limit on this setup.

80hp on a good build is very possible. Also "fully" built is sub $800 of hot shit parts for maximum powah. If we pop this and go "big" to 1915cc you can make around 120-130hp but start to really battle heat in a race setup.

But what is the actual power figure on the current 1600, not theoretical one... I thought these topped out around 70-80?

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:12 pm Does it handle like a "GO Kart"

YES. It actually is fantastic. Very neutral and steering is perfect. Way better to flick and no go kart twitch. I worked on it all Saturday afternoon and most of sunday. It started acting right. I made some good hot laps in the driveway of 2nd video.

It screams in 1st through 2nd. In its current fat tire and 1600cc motor, its more "Formula First [FF] than Formula Vee [FV] which is limited to 1200cc and baby carb with skinny 15" wheels.

Its gearing is REAL short there. We will explore the 3rd gear but I need more road to test on.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:50 pm Top end on this nasty bitch?

I'd rough guess 70-80mph? Its surely gearing limited. Will have to find decent enough stretch to run it for a top speed GPS. It has no speedo now. Just tach and oil pressure.

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:37 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:36 pm

Basically under 100hp is the limit on this setup.

80hp on a good build is very possible. Also "fully" built is sub $800 of hot shit parts for maximum powah. If we pop this and go "big" to 1915cc you can make around 120-130hp but start to really battle heat in a race setup.

But what is the actual power figure on the current 1600, not theoretical one... I thought these topped out around 70-80?

the were 54hp from the factory in current SAE hp specs. We have no method of telling what this one makes as its had custom work done. It has a later model more efficient head (1977 from a bus), I found since the spark plugs are the smaller diameter. So we really have no way to know unless it gets dyno'ed. And that aint in the budget.

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:46 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:37 pm

But what is the actual power figure on the current 1600, not theoretical one... I thought these topped out around 70-80?

the were 54hp from the factory in current SAE hp specs. We have no method of telling what this one makes as its had custom work done. It has a later model more efficient head (1977 from a bus), I found since the spark plugs are the smaller diameter. So we really have no way to know unless it gets dyno'ed. And that aint in the budget.

Yea it'll be 10% of the cost of the vehicle which seems pointless.

Here was the press release to sway people to move to Formula First from the dated Vee series. This car has parts of both. Change happened circa 2002.

http://formula-first.org/Historical/FCM ... elease.pdf

Testing/Performance Results, FV vs. First
Here are some basic statistics of the cars:

FF FV
Weight: 1100 lbs. 1025 lbs.
Displacement: 1600 cc 1200 cc
Horse Power: 80+ 55+
Torque: 100 lb ft 70 lb ft
Gearbox: 4-speed synchro 4-speed synchro
Brakes: 4-wheel disc 4-wheel drum
Wheels: 13” x 6” 15” x 4”

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:50 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:46 pm

the were 54hp from the factory in current SAE hp specs. We have no method of telling what this one makes as its had custom work done. It has a later model more efficient head (1977 from a bus), I found since the spark plugs are the smaller diameter. So we really have no way to know unless it gets dyno'ed. And that aint in the budget.

Yea it'll be 10% of the cost of the vehicle which seems pointless.

what is pointless? This is about the cheapest race platform you can get. And we are about to load up on $50 slicks.

Besides, percent base breakdowns when you are talking sub $10k racecar game is futile homie. Its not a leased German Camery. Its a racecar and by default is excessive. I just care about running and total cost.

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:46 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:37 pm

But what is the actual power figure on the current 1600, not theoretical one... I thought these topped out around 70-80?

the were 54hp from the factory in current SAE hp specs. We have no method of telling what this one makes as its had custom work done. It has a later model more efficient head (1977 from a bus), I found since the spark plugs are the smaller diameter. So we really have no way to know unless it gets dyno'ed. And that aint in the budget.

if we know the weight we can do a 1 gear pull with gps and get back to hp reasonably easy

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:53 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:50 pm

Yea it'll be 10% of the cost of the vehicle which seems pointless.

what is pointless? This is about the cheapest race platform you can get. And we are about to load up on $50 slicks.

Besides, percent base breakdowns when you are talking sub $10k racecar game is futile homie. Its not a leased German Camery. Its a racecar and by default is excessive. I just care about running and total cost.

The dyno testing. Fuck off with your insults you airboat scum.

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pm

wap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:21 pm How much powah is that bitch making?

engine should be good for anywhere between 60-80 hp. Lots of factors to consider, and we have to get it running correctly to even attempt to gauge this.

I know its not alot but it's also has a min weight of 1k WITH the driver, so i imagine the car itself is under 1k.

Sounds about right. I estimated mine made around 80 hp. Do you know what year the engine is?

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:55 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:53 pm



what is pointless? This is about the cheapest race platform you can get. And we are about to load up on $50 slicks.

Besides, percent base breakdowns when you are talking sub $10k racecar game is futile homie. Its not a leased German Camery. Its a racecar and by default is excessive. I just care about running and total cost.

The dyno testing. Fuck off with your insults you airboat scum.

oh. I see there. Yeah, pointless to dyno unless free. I thought you were running motor cost against cost of car.