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http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02/27/ ... eased.html

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5 cars a day? What kind of BS is this... no fucking way can he do that. I suppose he has 10 other dudes working for him and just takes the "credit" since he is the "manager" they all talk to.
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But 5 cars a day... (with 0 days off and holidays) how... ?!. every car transaction I have encountered takes at least 30 min to 2 hrs. Unless somehow a human being can bang through that in 5 min or less I don't see it happening.
I suppose selling 1000 cars to like Hertz or something may work?!
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:16 pm
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Considering these as my "fun" tar and leaving Sport Comp A/S on for general duty. They seem to provide adequate grip for local hoonage.
They're definitely better than the Rival-S unless you only use them for dry autox/time trials, but if you're just doing HPDE and similar non-competitive stuff I'd go Falken RT615K+ or Hankook RS4. You lose a tiny amount of grip and gain a lot of heat resistance and tread life vs the RE71R/Rival-S. Supposedly the Falken has the best steering response of any street tire.
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I could probably go 215/45/16 on the Falkens. I'd probably need 17" :ramz: for the appropriately sized Hankook
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max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:16 pm http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02/27/ ... eased.html

New face of the :dillerman:

50 cars a day? What kind of BS is this... no fucking way can he do that. I suppose he has 10 other dudes working for him and just takes the "credit" since he is the "manager" they all talk to.
Reda broke a 44-year-old record by moving 1,582 cars off the lots of Les Stanford Chevrolet and Cadillac in Dearborn, Mich. last year,
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:bruh: 5 cars a day. Errday doe.
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max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:39 pm But 50 cars a day... (with 0 days off and holidays) how... ?!. every car transaction I have encountered takes at least 30 min to 2 hrs. Unless somehow a human being can bang through that in 5 min or less I don't see it happening.
I suppose selling 1000 cars to like Hertz or something may work?!
:iono: I've literally worked with a sales guy for 10 min, then sat for 90 min for financing.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:41 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:16 pm http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02/27/ ... eased.html

New face of the :dillerman:

50 cars a day? What kind of BS is this... no fucking way can he do that. I suppose he has 10 other dudes working for him and just takes the "credit" since he is the "manager" they all talk to.


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:bruh: 5 cars a day. Errday doe.
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4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:42 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:39 pm But 5 cars a day... (with 0 days off and holidays) how... ?!. every car transaction I have encountered takes at least 30 min to 2 hrs. Unless somehow a human being can bang through that in 5 min or less I don't see it happening.
I suppose selling 1000 cars to like Hertz or something may work?!
:iono: I've literally worked with a sales guy for 10 min, then sat for 90 min for financing.
So no test drive? No dog and pony show nothing?
Even for a tire kicking event the saleshole spends 30 min to 1 hr with you. Before inviting you to his den for ass poundings.
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max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:39 pm But 5 cars a day... (with 0 days off and holidays) how... ?!. every car transaction I have encountered takes at least 30 min to 2 hrs. Unless somehow a human being can bang through that in 5 min or less I don't see it happening.
I suppose selling 1000 cars to like Hertz or something may work?!
I'm willing to bet over 900 were white silverados in work truck trim
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4zilch wrote:
troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:16 pm They're definitely better than the Rival-S unless you only use them for dry autox/time trials, but if you're just doing HPDE and similar non-competitive stuff I'd go Falken RT615K+ or Hankook RS4. You lose a tiny amount of grip and gain a lot of heat resistance and tread life vs the RE71R/Rival-S. Supposedly the Falken has the best steering response of any street tire.
:word:

I could probably go 215/45/16 on the Falkens. I'd probably need 17" :ramz: for the appropriately sized Hankook
Ahh yeah 16" :ramz: limit your options. It might be worth picking up some cheap-ish and wider wheels to better support the tires anyway. They feel better and last longer with a small stretch (205 on 8, 225 on 9, just convert the mm size to inches and that's about the ideal wheel width).

Consider some $15 front camber bolts too to keep the front outside tires flat in corners. Having no class rules makes things so much easier. Between that and a wider wheel, you could double or triple your front tire life.
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max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 pm
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:42 pm

:iono: I've literally worked with a sales guy for 10 min, then sat for 90 min for financing.
So no test drive? No dog and pony show nothing?
Even for a tire kicking event the saleshole spends 30 min to 1 hr with you. Before inviting you to his den for ass poundings.
I was in and out at Subaru in about 30 minutes. VW took about 3-4 hours. A 5 minute test drive usually takes at least a half hour between the dog and pony show and visiting the rape cave. Which is why I hate car shopping. Test drive things, that's easy to say. In reality it's a massive pain in the ass.
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Desertbreh wrote:
max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:16 pm http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02/27/ ... eased.html

New face of the :dillerman:

50 cars a day? What kind of BS is this... no fucking way can he do that. I suppose he has 10 other dudes working for him and just takes the "credit" since he is the "manager" they all talk to.
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:bruh: 5 cars a day. Errday doe.
I was waiting for someone to point out the :225: :math:

:impressive: order of magnitude error.
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Johnny_P wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:50 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 pm

So no test drive? No dog and pony show nothing?
Even for a tire kicking event the saleshole spends 30 min to 1 hr with you. Before inviting you to his den for ass poundings.
I was in and out at Subaru in about 30 minutes. VW took about 3-4 hours. A 5 minute test drive usually takes at least a half hour between the dog and pony show and visiting the rape cave. Which is why I hate car shopping. Test drive things, that's easy to say. In reality it's a massive pain in the ass.
But you were doing some :unicorn: transaction... through costco or whatever that was prenegotiated. Most of the time you still drive the car/pick it up etc etc. I mean out of the 30+ transactions I have had I'd say the average was around 30min with the saleshole, 15 min on the lower end and 2 hrs on the higher end.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:51 pm
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:bruh: 5 cars a day. Errday doe.
I was waiting for someone to point out the :225: :math:

:impressive: order of magnitude error.
Been fixed. Just a trump style Error. Nothing to see here.
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max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 pm
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:42 pm

:iono: I've literally worked with a sales guy for 10 min, then sat for 90 min for financing.
So no test drive? No dog and pony show nothing?
Even for a tire kicking event the saleshole spends 30 min to 1 hr with you. Before inviting you to his den for ass poundings.
No, but often I've made up my mind and go in with the intention of buying. If I had it my way, I'd have a price negotiated via email and walk straight into financing and sign the paperwork.
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4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:53 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 pm

So no test drive? No dog and pony show nothing?
Even for a tire kicking event the saleshole spends 30 min to 1 hr with you. Before inviting you to his den for ass poundings.
No, but often I've made up my mind and go in with the intention of buying. If I had it my way, I'd have a price negotiated via email and walk straight into financing and sign the paperwork.
I always pre-negotiate over email, but still take the cars for a test drive, just to be sure everything is ok. That seems to be a normal course of action.
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max225 wrote:
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:53 pm No, but often I've made up my mind and go in with the intention of buying. If I had it my way, I'd have a price negotiated via email and walk straight into financing and sign the paperwork.
I always pre-negotiate over email, but still take the cars for a test drive, just to be sure everything is ok. That seems to be a normal course of action.
That's what I did on the RX8, but they still took over an hour to do an enormous amount of paper work and try to sell me extended warranties. :dillerman: gonna :dillerman:

The place was empty though, so it's not like they had other customers waiting.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:50 pm
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:word:

I could probably go 215/45/16 on the Falkens. I'd probably need 17" :ramz: for the appropriately sized Hankook
Ahh yeah 16" :ramz: limit your options. It might be worth picking up some cheap-ish and wider wheels to better support the tires anyway. They feel better and last longer with a small stretch (205 on 8, 225 on 9, just convert the mm size to inches and that's about the ideal wheel width).

Consider some $15 front camber bolts too to keep the front outside tires flat in corners. Having no class rules makes things so much easier. Between that and a wider wheel, you could double or triple your front tire life.
True story.

Problem is odd bolt pattern on the FiST makes finding :scrooge: ramz difficult to find, and difficult to sell when the time comes. Focal and Advanti make 17x8's for the FiST, as well as TD. Nobody that I can find makes a 16x8. TD makes a 15x8, but they also come have a fair amount of offset (47.5 OE vs 35 TD) Could convert to Mazda 2 hubs, discs, etc to get a 4x100 bolt pattern and open up options, but don't have much motivation to go that far.

Needless to say, my choices are limited.
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4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:14 pm
troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:50 pm

Ahh yeah 16" :ramz: limit your options. It might be worth picking up some cheap-ish and wider wheels to better support the tires anyway. They feel better and last longer with a small stretch (205 on 8, 225 on 9, just convert the mm size to inches and that's about the ideal wheel width).

Consider some $15 front camber bolts too to keep the front outside tires flat in corners. Having no class rules makes things so much easier. Between that and a wider wheel, you could double or triple your front tire life.
True story.

Problem is odd bolt pattern on the FiST makes finding :scrooge: ramz difficult to find, and difficult to sell when the time comes. Focal and Advanti make 17x8's for the FiST, as well as TD. Nobody that I can find makes a 16x8. TD makes a 15x8, but they also come have a fair amount of offset (47.5 OE vs 35 TD) Could convert to Mazda 2 hubs, discs, etc to get a 4x100 bolt pattern and open up options, but don't have much motivation to go that far.

Needless to say, my choices are limited.
Sounds like you need a ND.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:50 pm Ahh yeah 16" :ramz: limit your options. It might be worth picking up some cheap-ish and wider wheels to better support the tires anyway. They feel better and last longer with a small stretch (205 on 8, 225 on 9, just convert the mm size to inches and that's about the ideal wheel width).

Consider some $15 front camber bolts too to keep the front outside tires flat in corners. Having no class rules makes things so much easier. Between that and a wider wheel, you could double or triple your front tire life.
True story.

Problem is odd bolt pattern on the FiST makes finding :scrooge: ramz difficult to find, and difficult to sell when the time comes. Focal and Advanti make 17x8's for the FiST, as well as TD. Nobody that I can find makes a 16x8. TD makes a 15x8, but they also come have a fair amount of offset (47.5 OE vs 35 TD) Could convert to Mazda 2 hubs, discs, etc to get a 4x100 bolt pattern and open up options, but don't have much motivation to go that far.

Needless to say, my choices are limited.
Such Ferd. Which :ramz: are people using for the new STH autox class? That size should have decent resale value since hub changes aren't allowed. Someone will want the :ramz: to give the class a shot after you're done with them.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:24 pm
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True story.

Problem is odd bolt pattern on the FiST makes finding :scrooge: ramz difficult to find, and difficult to sell when the time comes. Focal and Advanti make 17x8's for the FiST, as well as TD. Nobody that I can find makes a 16x8. TD makes a 15x8, but they also come have a fair amount of offset (47.5 OE vs 35 TD) Could convert to Mazda 2 hubs, discs, etc to get a 4x100 bolt pattern and open up options, but don't have much motivation to go that far.

Needless to say, my choices are limited.
Such Ferd. Which :ramz: are people using for the new STH autox class? That size should have decent resale value since hub changes aren't allowed. Someone will want the :ramz: to give the class a shot after you're done with them.
On stock hubs - 15x8 or 16x7. 15x8 TD's probably wouldn't be too hard to sell. Lots of guys say they want to go that route, but saying and spending money are 2 different things lol.
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Apex wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:20 pm
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:14 pm

True story.

Problem is odd bolt pattern on the FiST makes finding :scrooge: ramz difficult to find, and difficult to sell when the time comes. Focal and Advanti make 17x8's for the FiST, as well as TD. Nobody that I can find makes a 16x8. TD makes a 15x8, but they also come have a fair amount of offset (47.5 OE vs 35 TD) Could convert to Mazda 2 hubs, discs, etc to get a 4x100 bolt pattern and open up options, but don't have much motivation to go that far.

Needless to say, my choices are limited.
Sounds like you need a ND.
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FWIW RE71's give me the most size options. Could do 195/55/16 :225:
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4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:55 pm FWIW RE71's give me the most size options. Could do 195/55/16 :225:
That probably is the best bet. Stock wheels are what, 7" wide? Either that or the Falken are your best bets.

In other news, they're making a Fiata that's sort of a coupe!

https://www.motor1.com/news/234511/abar ... ouncement/

Carbon hardtop with actual insulation and BIG rear window with defroster, plus lighter 17" OZ :ramz:

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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:06 pm
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:55 pm FWIW RE71's give me the most size options. Could do 195/55/16 :225:
That probably is the best bet. Stock wheels are what, 7" wide? Either that or the Falken are your best bets.

In other news, they're making a Fiata that's sort of a coupe!

https://www.motor1.com/news/234511/abar ... ouncement/

Carbon hardtop with actual insulation and BIG rear window with defroster, plus lighter 17" OZ :ramz:

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yeah - stock are 17x7. I have a set of 16x7 that the fun tars will likely go on.


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troyguitar wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:06 pm
4zilch wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:55 pm FWIW RE71's give me the most size options. Could do 195/55/16 :225:
That probably is the best bet. Stock wheels are what, 7" wide? Either that or the Falken are your best bets.

In other news, they're making a Fiata that's sort of a coupe!

https://www.motor1.com/news/234511/abar ... ouncement/

Carbon hardtop with actual insulation and BIG rear window with defroster, plus lighter 17" OZ :ramz:

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This is neat. The world needs moar coupes.
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