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troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:55 am

Big Brain Bradley wrote:
yea but you have a ~30% efficiency on a carnot heat pump vs. 100% efficiency with electric heating.

Yes the higher delta does eat your lunch in many cases, but its not a fair 1:1 comparision.

The bills don't lie. In real world use, heating is 3x the cost of cooling unless you live in a place with no winter.

lagunasecaballs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:57 am Quick note to everyone switching to LED: if you have a shitload of LED fixtures and LED retrofits in your home, look into installing a surge protector on your house panel. Get one with a decent-ish warranty and you can get a new one if a surge takes out the device. LEDs are wonderful, but they are delicate in comparison to their predecessors. Power surges will burn out LEDs with a quickness if your house isn't protected.

It's also just generally a good idea since we all have fancy gadgets and TVs.

Detroit wrote:

lagunasecaballs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:57 am Quick note to everyone switching to LED: if you have a shitload of LED fixtures and LED retrofits in your home, look into installing a surge protector on your house panel. Get one with a decent-ish warranty and you can get a new one if a surge takes out the device. LEDs are wonderful, but they are delicate in comparison to their predecessors. Power surges will burn out LEDs with a quickness if your house isn't protected.

It's also just generally a good idea since we all have fancy gadgets and TVs.

Not a bad thought.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:02 pm

Ideally I'd have a whole power conditioning system that included a massive UPS backup battery pack and a couple of small wind turbines and solar panels which charge them - with grid power only being drawn as necessary.

Big Brain Bradley wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:02 pm

Ideally I'd have a whole power conditioning system that included a massive UPS backup battery pack and a couple of small wind turbines and solar panels which charge them - with grid power only being drawn as necessary.

wouldn't we all?

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 pm

Big Brain Bradley wrote:
wouldn't we all?

If we could know that we'd be able to have jobs here for 20 years it would be a net zero cost. Maybe even 10 years depending on the details.

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:53 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 pm
If we could know that we'd be able to have jobs here for 20 years it would be a net zero cost. Maybe even 10 years depending on the details.

yea but without the cash to do it how do you pay for such a thing.

This is at the core of our energy 'problem'. People are willing to do it, no one is willing to loan them cash for it.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:15 pm

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:53 pm

yea but without the cash to do it how do you pay for such a thing.

This is at the core of our energy 'problem'. People are willing to do it, no one is willing to loan them cash for it.

You couldn't have rolled something like that into your house building loan?

In theory we could pay cash to do something like that but the chances of living in the same house for more than a few more years are near zero - and AFAIK those things add zero to property resale values. If anything it might reduce the property value, dat "complex eyesore"

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:24 pm Doh.

So the problem isn't the banks so much as that people in general do not value this stuff. If it contributed to property values then banks would loan money for it.

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:53 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 pm
If we could know that we'd be able to have jobs here for 20 years it would be a net zero cost. Maybe even 10 years depending on the details.

yea but without the cash to do it how do you pay for such a thing.

This is at the core of our energy 'problem'. People are willing to do it, no one is willing to loan them cash for it.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:41 pm

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:53 pm

yea but without the cash to do it how do you pay for such a thing.

This is at the core of our energy 'problem'. People are willing to do it, no one is willing to loan them cash for it.

We should start a company that will loan them the cash.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:41 pm

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:53 pm

yea but without the cash to do it how do you pay for such a thing.

This is at the core of our energy 'problem'. People are willing to do it, no one is willing to loan them cash for it.

We should start a company that will loan them the cash.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:43 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:41 pm

We should start a company that will loan them the cash.

That's called a charity. Maybe call up the Clintons?

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:54 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:43 pm

That's called a charity. Maybe call up the Clintons?

It's only a charity if they don't repay the loan and interest. So I can finally put these massles to use by breaking the knee caps of people who don't repay their loans.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:44 pm You could use a home equity line of credit for such a thing.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:44 pm You could use a home equity line of credit for such a thing.