DFD

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:39 am Is defendant-provided dash cam evidence truly accepted in court? Seems like it would be too easy to fake for the court to accept.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 am Got pulled over and ticketed tonight for doing 65 around a ramp from one 55 mph road to another... in a Pontiac Vibe on winter tires with no squeals whatsoever, nowhere near the limit or any other vehicles. "Careless Driving" = some number of points and like $200 in fines plus who the fuck knows how much in additional insurance costs for the rest of my god damn life.

Fuck the police. Find someone actually causing trouble instead of robbing me.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:47 am

troyguitar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 am Got pulled over and ticketed tonight for doing 65 around a ramp from one 55 mph road to another... in a Pontiac Vibe on winter tires with no squeals whatsoever, nowhere near the limit or any other vehicles. "Careless Driving" = some number of points and like $200 in fines plus who the fuck knows how much in additional insurance costs for the rest of my god damn life.

Fuck the police. Find someone actually causing trouble instead of robbing me.

Radar detector

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:49 am dash cam is double-edge sword though - can be used against you present it during discovery or it's subpoena'd

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:48 am

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:47 am

Radar detector

that too, mine is mounted semi -permanently. Its easily paid for itself.

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:53 am

Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:48 am

that too, mine is mounted semi -permanently. Its easily paid for itself.

My friend has a radar detector that is GPS based and can detect activity 2 miles down the road. We have tried it and it actually works.

It’s the Passport Max 360

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:54 am I don't trust my radar detector anymore. I feel like laser is getting too common, though I have no evidence to back that up.

My radar detector has more than paid for itself through the years, though. But lately, I just don't speed.

65 in 55, doe...I would do that. That's some unless you crossed the line or something.

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:55 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:53 am
My friend has a radar detector that is GPS based and can detect activity 2 miles down the road. We have tried it and it actually works.

It’s the Passport Max 360

Don't you have to pay a subscription to use it?

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:51 am

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:49 am dash cam is double-edge sword though - can be used against you present it during discovery or it's subpoena'd

Usually you can just have it contain the videos related to the incident and that’s all. Ethically they shouldn’t be allowed to view videos that aren’t related to the incident in question. Additionally, they can’t present new charges based on that evidence either.

Theoretically, they can only use evidence provided (by both parties) to rule a judgment for the charges at hand. They can’t add more charges because video shows something else.

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:59 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:51 am



Usually you can just have it contain the videos related to the incident and that’s all. Ethically they shouldn’t be allowed to view videos that aren’t related to the incident in question. Additionally, they can’t present new charges based on that evidence either.

Theoretically, they can only use evidence provided (by both parties) to rule a judgment for the charges at hand. They can’t add more charges because video shows something else.

Agree on the new charges, but if you're denying a charge (pleading not guilty), and the prosecutor is aware of certain evidence that might support their case, then it can be subpoena'd. It's not the LEO asking for the video (definitely wouldn't show it to them regardless of the situation) , it's the court/prosecutor that might come after it. If you're going to present it as evidence to support your side of the story, the prosecutors have a right to review the material as well before it makes it to court.

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:00 am

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:59 am

Agree on the new charges, but if you're denying a charge (pleading not guilty), and the prosecutor is aware of certain evidence that might support their case, then it can be subpoena'd. It's not the LEO asking for the video (definitely wouldn't show it to them regardless of the situation) , it's the court/prosecutor that might come after it. If you're going to present it as evidence to support your side of the story, the prosecutors have a right to review the material as well before it makes it to court.

If it proves my innocence in a charge I’d have no problem with them reviewing the clips

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:02 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:00 am

If it proves my innocence in a charge I’d have no problem with them reviewing the clips

You'd share with the LEO or the court? One of those you have a choice (unless they have a warrant), and the other you don't.
My point is, what if it doesn't prove your innocence? Are you still going to show it to them?

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:02 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:00 am

If it proves my innocence in a charge I’d have no problem with them reviewing the clips

You'd share with the LEO or the court? One of those you have a choice (unless they have a warrant), and the other you don't.
My point is, what if it doesn't prove your innocence? Are you still going to show it to them?

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 am FWIW - I wouldn't argue or support anything a LEO is asking me or ticketing me at the time of the interaction. If there's a discussion to be had about what you did or didn't do, it should be done in court.

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 am

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:02 am
You'd share with the LEO or the court? One of those you have a choice (unless they have a warrant), and the other you don't.
My point is, what if it doesn't prove your innocence? Are you still going to show it to them?

If I was driving over 100mph, weaving in and out of lanes and cutting people off, I wouldn’t show it.

If I was polite, cordial, decent to the cop and even though I was speeding didn’t drive recklessly, I’d show it to the court.

Officer will see the video regardless because they will show up to the hearing/court date.

at the end of the day in my opinion, they can view it as 1 of 2 ways, but it’s ALL ABOUT HOW YOU APPROACH IT.

“Your honor, I have this camera to ensure that I protect myself and others in any event or incident.” It shows that you care about yourself and others and are holding yourself accountable.

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:12 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 am

If I was driving over 100mph, weaving in and out of lanes and cutting people off, I wouldn’t show it.

If I was polite, cordial, decent to the cop and even though I was speeding didn’t drive recklessly, I’d show it to the court.

Officer will see the video regardless because they will show up to the hearing/court date.

at the end of the day in my opinion, they can view it as 1 of 2 ways, but it’s ALL ABOUT HOW YOU APPROACH IT.

“Your honor, I have this camera to ensure that I protect myself and others in any event or incident.” It shows that you care about yourself and others and are holding yourself accountable.

Not saying they're a bad thing, just saying they aren't 100% full proof in protecting you either.

Sometimes you're better off admitting to nothing even when you're in the wrong when there's a lack of physical evidence.

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:15 am

4zilch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:12 am

Not saying they're a bad thing, just saying they aren't 100% full proof in protecting you either.

Sometimes you're better off admitting to nothing even when you're in the wrong when there's a lack of physical evidence.

It definitely depends on the incident but I’m pro-LEO so I wouldn’t put myself in a situation where I can make myself more guilty than I am in any certain situation.



Not all people are like that doe. :roadpirate: and whatnot.

Nothing is 100% foolproof, though. But the way you carry yourself and address the officer (as well as any other human being you interact with) will go a long way