Car Talk 2: Un-American Motor Company.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:03 pm
That's what I was thinking of. Ah well.
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That's what I was thinking of. Ah well.
Typical GM of the era. The strides that have been made in the C7, like most other GM offerings, is reallyDesertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:39 pmThere's a fair number of C5 uber alles brohams out there....and I don't think that car will stand the test of time in the way that the C2 did. It was a magical reinvention of the Corvette from a world class handling and power perspective....any C5 can be set up to run strong at any track and the car is 19 years old....but looks wise...eh. Not the best, not the worst. And the interior is just fucking atrocious, other than the gauge cluster.
If I were a waxer collector, I would consider a 90's ZR1 just for the LT5, which, IMHO, is hands down the most beautiful engine ever put in any Corvette, and probably always will be. The later 90s' ZR1s had the nice 5 spoke ramz and looked A LOT better than your average 80's C4.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:44 pmI know that I'm but looks-wise I rate corvettes like so:Desertbreh wrote:
There's a fair number of C5 uber alles brohams out there....and I don't think that car will stand the test of time in the way that the C2 did. It was a magical reinvention of the Corvette from a world class handling and power perspective....any C5 can be set up to run strong at any track and the car is 19 years old....but looks wise...eh. Not the best, not the worst. And the interior is just fucking atrocious, other than the gauge cluster.
4 >= 2 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 5
90s gumby blobs are not sexy.
Desertbreh wrote:If I were a waxer collector, I would consider a 90's ZR1 just for the LT5, which, IMHO, is hands down the most beautiful engine ever put in any Corvette, and probably always will be. The later 90s' ZR1s had the nice 5 spoke ramz and looked A LOT better than your average 80's C4.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:44 pm I know that I'm but looks-wise I rate corvettes like so:
4 >= 2 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 5
90s gumby blobs are not sexy.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Chevrolet ... SwMGBay7~m
That's a good price on that black one and if late 70's Trans Ams are now collector cars that are appreciating in value equipped with a smog choked, low compression all cast parts Oldsmobile 403 straight out of a Vista Cruiser, it's hard to see how an LT5 Corvette will not.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:26 pmDesertbreh wrote:
If I were a waxer collector, I would consider a 90's ZR1 just for the LT5, which, IMHO, is hands down the most beautiful engine ever put in any Corvette, and probably always will be. The later 90s' ZR1s had the nice 5 spoke ramz and looked A LOT better than your average 80's C4.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Chevrolet ... SwMGBay7~m
The 80s digital dash is cool
When I bought my C5Z, the C4ZR1 was the same price. I almost bought one instead, but went for the better handling out-of-the-box car in the C5. I still kind of want an 80s C4 with LS power, good suspension, weight reduction, etc. in something like 80s white with red interior with the sawblade
Dynamically it could be made to be pretty damn good, it just would cost a lot and never be worth anything. That would need to be a "forever" project. C4 has the advantage of a significantly shorter wheelbase, narrower width, lower polar moment, and faster steering rack than the C5/6/7 and it's in the same power and weight ranges. They're way better cars than their reputation implies.
LT5 cars have already started going up. Nice ones were $20-25k 5-6 years ago.Desertbreh wrote:That's a good price on that black one and if late 70's Trans Ams are now collector cars that are appreciating in value equipped with a smog choked, low compression all cast parts Oldsmobile 403 straight out of a Vista Cruiser, it's hard to see how an LT5 Corvette will not.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:26 pm
The 80s digital dash is cool
When I bought my C5Z, the C4ZR1 was the same price. I almost bought one instead, but went for the better handling out-of-the-box car in the C5. I still kind of want an 80s C4 with LS power, good suspension, weight reduction, etc. in something like 80s white with red interior with the sawblade
Dynamically it could be made to be pretty damn good, it just would cost a lot and never be worth anything. That would need to be a "forever" project. C4 has the advantage of a significantly shorter wheelbase, narrower width, lower polar moment, and faster steering rack than the C5/6/7 and it's in the same power and weight ranges. They're way better cars than their reputation implies.
History has proven that nothing can happen to defeat a master strategy like this.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm In other news, Ford is apparently going full MURICA by 2020 or so. The Mustang will be the only car sold in North America. The rest of the lineup will be CUV/SUV and
Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus are all dead.
https://media.ford.com/content...2018/0 ... ncials.pdf
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:52 pmHistory has proven that nothing can happen to defeat a master strategy like this.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm In other news, Ford is apparently going full MURICA by 2020 or so. The Mustang will be the only car sold in North America. The rest of the lineup will be CUV/SUV and
Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus are all dead.
https://media.ford.com/content...2018/0 ... ncials.pdf
Desertbreh wrote:History has proven that nothing can happen to defeat a master strategy like this.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm In other news, Ford is apparently going full MURICA by 2020 or so. The Mustang will be the only car sold in North America. The rest of the lineup will be CUV/SUV and
Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus are all dead.
https://media.ford.com/content...2018/0 ... ncials.pdf
[user not found] wrote:FiST is a fantastic car.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:38 pm
Apparently now is the time to buy a Fiesta ST if you want to ever own a small hot hatch in this country. I almost want one, but not enough to give up a real sports car. Maybe if we end up with a cheap house and a big garage somehow... FiST + kart could be cool.
Shame we won't get the new one with the LSD.
Used sports cars are gonna be it until we're replaced by the pod people.[user not found] wrote:Days are probably numbered for MINI in the US, honestly.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:05 pm
The real diff, with lighter and cooler sounding 3-banger, seems badass.
I guess we still have the Koopa as the only remaining OG-style hot hatch sold here.
Pods?[user not found] wrote:Gonna be cars only soon.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:39 pm Used sports cars are gonna be it until we're replaced by the pod people.
truk is lyfetroyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm In other news, Ford is apparently going full MURICA by 2020 or so. The Mustang will be the only car sold in North America. The rest of the lineup will be CUV/SUV and
Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus are all dead.
https://media.ford.com/content...2018/0 ... ncials.pdf
We’re basically there. GTIs worth a damn go for over $30k now.[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pmGonna be cars only soon.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:39 pm Used sports cars are gonna be it until we're replaced by the pod people.
Johnny_P wrote:truk is lyfetroyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm In other news, Ford is apparently going full MURICA by 2020 or so. The Mustang will be the only car sold in North America. The rest of the lineup will be CUV/SUV and
Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus are all dead.
https://media.ford.com/content...2018/0 ... ncials.pdf
Next fad will be pods anyway and you won’t own one you’ll just hire it for quick trips on a subscription basis.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:11 pmIf I were a waxer collector, I would consider a 90's ZR1 just for the LT5, which, IMHO, is hands down the most beautiful engine ever put in any Corvette, and probably always will be. The later 90s' ZR1s had the nice 5 spoke ramz and looked A LOT better than your average 80's C4.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:44 pm I know that I'm but looks-wise I rate corvettes like so:
4 >= 2 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 5
90s gumby blobs are not sexy.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Chevrolet ... SwMGBay7~m