Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:57 pm
Apex wrote:Bernie still
troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:35 pmApex wrote:Bernie still
A gun in every hand would solve it all. Everyone gets one bullet, use it wisely.
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Hot take:
The only path to return to Republic/Democratic Capitalism is via Democratic Socialism.
We are not currently Democratic Capitalism. We are some form of Federalist Corporatist government/economy. As one that advocates for true libertarianism, we lack the transparency of information to get there. To get that transparency of information you need to break the back of the current structure. Government isn't our current issue, irresponsible and unanswerable corporations are. For capitalism to function properly, you need democracy of resources and information. As they say in New England, you can't get there from here.
Democratic Socialism would bre a hard break from our current system and would allow the democratization of information. You'd need to stabilize in that system for a bit THEN hard break again into capitalism. It would be extraordinarily costly for folks like me, and I also think it would be well worth it for my children and the larger moral good. Andrew Yang likely had the most straightforward and well developed plan to do so.
Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible, we just can't get there from here. Democratic Socialism is way closer to true capitalism than we have right now.
Nail on the head. Nothing should be too big to fail. Sort out your own shit.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:00 pm Great example from just today about how we aren't capitalistic right now but Corporatist
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/let-t ... out-people
Can you define that?[user not found] wrote:Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible
hard break back? Seems to me this presupposes that capitalism can not exist in a Democratic Socialist society. They coexist just fine in most of the rest of the world.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Hot take:
The only path to return to Republic/Democratic Capitalism is via Democratic Socialism.
We are not currently Democratic Capitalism. We are some form of Federalist Corporatist government/economy. As one that advocates for true libertarianism, we lack the transparency of information to get there. To get that transparency of information you need to break the back of the current structure. Government isn't our current issue, irresponsible and unanswerable corporations are. For capitalism to function properly, you need democracy of resources and information. As they say in New England, you can't get there from here.
Democratic Socialism would bre a hard break from our current system and would allow the democratization of information. You'd need to stabilize in that system for a bit THEN hard break again into capitalism. It would be extraordinarily costly for folks like me, and I also think it would be well worth it for my children and the larger moral good. Andrew Yang likely had the most straightforward and well developed plan to do so.
Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible, we just can't get there from here. Democratic Socialism is way closer to true capitalism than we have right now.
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:02 pmPhilosophical difference. Absolutely they exist "just fine" in the rest of the world but, my philosophy is, a properly constructed capitalist market can out perform and provide a better life.
So it doesn't sound like it would be that drastic a swing then, in your scenario above.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:19 pmNo, but not through in ability. It's simply never been attempted. On the spectrum, this would be way closer to European Social Capitalism than it would be to U.S. Corporatism.