The average sales person doesn’t even know the hp and torque of a vehicle .... in my experience. Once I find someone who does it is like gear ratio ? Expectations are too highHuckleberry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:33 amIt's not obscure at all, especially when it comes to trucks. It isn't like I asked how many gallons of coolant the cooling system holds. Gear ratios greatly affect acceleration, fuel economy, and towing capacities. It is pertinent information for a truck.
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Huckleberry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:33 am It's not obscure at all, especially when it comes to trucks. It isn't like I asked how many gallons of coolant the cooling system holds. Gear ratios greatly affect acceleration, fuel economy, and towing capacities. It is pertinent information for a truck.
Any smart truck buyer will want a specific gear ratio.
I prefer a 3.55 or 3.73.
All GM offered in the Canyon was their fucking beloved 3.42. Which is fine.
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Doesn’t the transmission ratio matter as much as the final gear ?Melon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 amHuckleberry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:33 am It's not obscure at all, especially when it comes to trucks. It isn't like I asked how many gallons of coolant the cooling system holds. Gear ratios greatly affect acceleration, fuel economy, and towing capacities. It is pertinent information for a truck.
Any smart truck buyer will want a specific gear ratio.
I prefer a 3.55 or 3.73.
All GM offered in the Canyon was their fucking beloved 3.42. Which is fine.
You can have a 2:73 rear end and an 8 speed that does way better than a 3.45 and a 4 speed
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The transmission is usually a set variable and comes with whatever engine choice you have.
That being said companies gear them differently. IIRC the Tundra has 4.10 and 4.33 options, where domestic might only go up to 3.73
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These days, more transmission gears with a GOOD auto somewhat reduces the importance of final drive gear. BUT it's something truck buyers are used to.
Great example is the JL/T Rubicons with the 4:1 t-case. With the 8-speed and it's short 1-3 gearing, the 4:1 low range is honestly too much. and 4-speed autos benefit, but that's not really standard condition anymore.
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So.. this explains why the Tacoma is the most superior truck with the 4.30 rear gear ratio standard on the manual.
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It gives fine tuning for tow ratings as well.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:57 amThese days, more transmission gears with a GOOD auto somewhat reduces the importance of final drive gear. BUT it's something truck buyers are used to.
Great example is the JL/T Rubicons with the 4:1 t-case. With the 8-speed and it's short 1-3 gearing, the 4:1 low range is honestly too much. and 4-speed autos benefit, but that's not really standard condition anymore.
Either choose something like a 3.11 for cruising, or 3.73 for towing.
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Melon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:31 pmIt gives fine tuning for tow ratings as well.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:57 am
These days, more transmission gears with a GOOD auto somewhat reduces the importance of final drive gear. BUT it's something truck buyers are used to.
Great example is the JL/T Rubicons with the 4:1 t-case. With the 8-speed and it's short 1-3 gearing, the 4:1 low range is honestly too much. and 4-speed autos benefit, but that's not really standard condition anymore.
Either choose something like a 3.11 for cruising, or 3.73 for towing.
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I agree that that isn't particularly common knowledge to need... but at times they are disgustingly under trained on the product. Like, you should know basics such as colors offered, engines/transmissions offered, how to use the infotainment, etc.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:50 amThat’s a fairly obscure fact that doesn't need to be known by a saleshole. Knowing a gear ratio won’t sell the vehicle. They are trained to financially ruin you, not educate you on vehicle featuresHuckleberry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:10 am
Yeah, the average person knows dick-all about the vehicle they are purchasing, just like the average salesman knows dick-all about the vehicle they are selling.
I remember when I was test driving a Taco, I asked the salesman what the rear gear ratio was and he replied with, "What's a rear gear ratio?" This led to me explaining how a differential works and never getting my question answered. I didn't like the truck enough to look it up after the fact.
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Remarkably, my MK4 Jetta was a tank, I never had any quality issues with the body, hardware or anything really. Mexico knows how to build cars.MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:20 pmthe robots don't even know that they're in a lesser developing country than the people cars fatherland. That being said, back in the mk6 days jetta's were always regarded within a more inferior quality which essentially puts mexico as the answer for that, but in reality they're roughly the same regardless.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:50 pm
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