It was really difficult on my jgc, and it was pretty difficult on the older 4 runners as well. It is especially fun if you’re trying to get into L while wheelin on a shitty slope etc. You basically can’t not have it grind, always some grinding while it happens.[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:26 am
I have never liked grinding gears so I'd just take my foot off the brake and let it roll forward or back a bit and re-attempt.
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Also doesn’t have led tails, the tire option is $795 it gets you far better looking wheels and a rear limited slip too, but doesn’t matter since Sahara is an official mall spec now. And to add insult to injury costs nearly as much a rubicunt
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C and D Wrangler review.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ate=031418
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ate=031418
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53k msrp on their test rig and it didn’t even come with decent tireswap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:52 am C and D Wrangler review.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ate=031418
fuck electronic 4wd controls. They break. Ask me how I know.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:59 amMeanwhile every other 4WD system on the planet has a knob you turn on the dash and that's it.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:57 am http://www.wranglerforum.com/f202/how-t ... cs/1193529
Obviously these fking 1%ers don’t know how to work a Jeep. Or have never operated a transfer case before.
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.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 am53k msrp on their test rig and it didn’t even come with decent tireswap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:52 am C and D Wrangler review.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ate=031418
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The braking performance is mainly due to caliper size bump for the Sahara and rubicon’s. The skid pad is mall tires however I am not sure what last one they tested. They called it a jku, but didn’t mention submodel.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 pm.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.
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Got to work and was able to check article. They compared it to this...Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 pm.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... est-review
It had far more off road capable tires than the other one. So I am taking their "improvements" with a grain of salt. What is semi is that they weighed the new one at 150lbs less. I think that's mainly due to the optional metal bumpers on the 2016 they tested.
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Why would anyone put this on the road with yourself in it. FKN WASTE @ 53k plus shite brakes etc etc. Id rather lose my azz on my M car. FK JEEP.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 pm.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.
How about this original thought.....You never go off road so buy a CUFKNV!!
That was fun LOL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Dave bringing the heat.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:45 pmWhy would anyone put this on the road with yourself in it. FKN WASTE @ 53k plus shite brakes etc etc. Id rather lose my azz on my M car. FK JEEP.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 pm
.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.
How about this original thought.....You never go off road so buy a CUFKNV!!
That was fun LOL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Dave I am a bit lost, could you explain what you're trying to say? I am seriously confused by your post.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:45 pmJohnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 pm
.1 increase in skidpad, 30 foot reduction in stopping distance, both largely due to tires. That's significant. 90% of Wranglers never go off road we both know this so why not equip them with CUV type tires and make them drive better as a result? The JK's 209 foot 70-0 has got to be the worst braking performance of any modern automobile.
How about this original thought.....You never go off road so buy a CUFKNV!!
That was fun LOL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On a sidenote if you don't take it off roads you're a turd, how about if you never take your sports car to a track? Same rule applies?
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Better braking and probably safer, so just get what it appears you want or need, more than just have a 'JEEP". I get the want part but then essentially make it a CUV with better tires and brakes? Why do that when you can simply get a machine that does the job you want and comment on. Brakes, tires , ride quality etc etc. Again just logic man...we can pick any decision apart but in terms of use we all admit here frequently Jeeps are for well....the mall LOL
Simple point but I was also venting the logic and having fun. SAWCE got it man!
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Getting a mall heep makes very little sense. Outside of style there isn't a single redeeming quality in that vehicle.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:32 pmBetter braking and probably safer, so just get what it appears you want or need, more than just have a 'JEEP". I get the want part but then essentially make it a CUV with better tires and brakes? Why do that when you can simply get a machine that does the job you want and comment on. Brakes, tires , ride quality etc etc. Again just logic man...we can pick any decision apart but in terms of use we all admit here frequently Jeeps are for well....the mall LOL
Simple point but I was also venting the logic and having fun. SAWCE got it man!
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They appear to generate immense buzz....amazing to me. Not every really followed or thought about Jeeps until this site gen'd up with so much Jeep talk. They do have a distinct following and I think it would surprise many folks on this site how many roll around this region.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:34 pmGetting a mall heep makes very little sense. Outside of style there isn't a single redeeming quality in that vehicle.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:32 pm
Better braking and probably safer, so just get what it appears you want or need, more than just have a 'JEEP". I get the want part but then essentially make it a CUV with better tires and brakes? Why do that when you can simply get a machine that does the job you want and comment on. Brakes, tires , ride quality etc etc. Again just logic man...we can pick any decision apart but in terms of use we all admit here frequently Jeeps are for well....the mall LOL
Simple point but I was also venting the logic and having fun. SAWCE got it man!
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He lives in a land where public highways are basically top speed track runs sooooo
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Europe would buy these up just like the Mustangs. Because they think that part of "america" is cool.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:39 pmThey appear to generate immense buzz....amazing to me. Not every really followed or thought about Jeeps until this site gen'd up with so much Jeep talk. They do have a distinct following and I think it would surprise many folks on this site how many roll around this region.
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They are here and now a frequent site. Just like the Mustang GT's. Daily sightings no problem. Mustangs on the road in winter?? Oh yea not a problem. New and older ones.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:40 pmEurope would buy these up just like the Mustangs. Because they think that part of "america" is cool.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:39 pm
They appear to generate immense buzz....amazing to me. Not every really followed or thought about Jeeps until this site gen'd up with so much Jeep talk. They do have a distinct following and I think it would surprise many folks on this site how many roll around this region.
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People want them for the styling.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:34 pmGetting a mall heep makes very little sense. Outside of style there isn't a single redeeming quality in that vehicle.Davestr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:32 pm
Better braking and probably safer, so just get what it appears you want or need, more than just have a 'JEEP". I get the want part but then essentially make it a CUV with better tires and brakes? Why do that when you can simply get a machine that does the job you want and comment on. Brakes, tires , ride quality etc etc. Again just logic man...we can pick any decision apart but in terms of use we all admit here frequently Jeeps are for well....the mall LOL
Simple point but I was also venting the logic and having fun. SAWCE got it man!
They shy away from them because they drive like poo, have bad brakes, and a scary 4x4 system.
So fix the driving and braking problem with a set of mall spec tires, offer a full time AWD system, a power retracting roof, and offer it all on the poser spec Sahara and you're good. People who will never actually use a Jeep's capabilities buy it because it looks like a Jeep and doesn't drive like farm equipment.
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They are not. Driving in Germany is over-rated. Yes some roads are great and yes some highways have no limits. But cars are expensive as shit, maintaining a car is supremely expensive as well. You can't get anything worth while unless you're spending 6 figure euros. Speed cameras all over the place, red light cameras all over the place. fines for fucking up. Mandatory safety regulations and inability to modify vehicles. All so much other BS.
America is still the best country on earth for driving period by a LANDSLIDE.
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That's all true but if you can afford it Germany is pretty great for bombing back roads and going flat out on highways.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:43 pmThey are not. Driving in Germany is over-rated. Yes some roads are great and yes some highways have no limits. But cars are expensive as shit, maintaining a car is supremely expensive as well. You can't get anything worth while unless you're spending 6 figure euros. Speed cameras all over the place, red light cameras all over the place. fines for fucking up. Mandatory safety regulations and inability to modify vehicles. All so much other BS.
America is still the best country on earth for driving period by a LANDSLIDE.