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[user not found] wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:38 am Just saw a great commercial "New Jersey needs nuclear". Really excellent.
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wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:06 pm
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:22 pm
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Good.
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wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:36 pm
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why you hate nukes? You live in the land of cheap nuclear power (chicago area)
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:48 pm
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why you hate nukes? You live in the land of cheap nuclear power (chicago area)
I don't hate nuke power per se, I just hate the irresponsible application of it, and I don't trust the power companies to do the right thing without TONS of oversight.

Why don't you have a problem with a nuke plant being built near a non-extinct volcano?
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wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:28 pm
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why you hate nukes? You live in the land of cheap nuclear power (chicago area)
I don't hate nuke power per se, I just hate the irresponsible application of it, and I don't trust the power companies to do the right thing without TONS of oversight.

Why don't you have a problem with a nuke plant being built near a non-extinct volcano?
well the whole island chain is to some extent a volcano.

The plant is there. let it run out its useful life and don't rebuild & decommission it at end of life.

No location carries zero risk.
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:38 pm
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well the whole island chain is to some extent a volcano.

The plant is there. let it run out its useful life and don't rebuild & decommission it at end of life.

No location carries zero risk.
Well of course not. I deal with risk every day. The question is does the risk and probability of occurrence outweigh the benefits? In this case that seems like an easy yes on the risk and probability side of the equation?
Not sure, but you can bet your ass the regulator in Japan did all this work before construction. also 70 miles away is REALLY far.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:42 pm
[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:38 pm Well of course not. I deal with risk every day. The question is does the risk and probability of occurrence outweigh the benefits? In this case that seems like an easy yes on the risk and probability side of the equation?
Not sure, but you can bet your ass the regulator in Japan did all this work before construction. also 70 miles away is REALLY far.
You mean the same regulators that thought Fukushima was safe from tsunamis?

Also, 70 miles is not REALLY far for pyroclastic flow.: That shit travels at HUNDREDS OF MILES PER HOUR.
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wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:58 pm
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Not sure, but you can bet your ass the regulator in Japan did all this work before construction. also 70 miles away is REALLY far.
You mean the same regulators that thought Fukushima was safe from tsunamis?

Also, 70 miles is not REALLY far for pyroclastic flow.: That shit travels at HUNDREDS OF MILES PER HOUR.
Fukushima was a compound failure.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:40 pm
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You mean the same regulators that thought Fukushima was safe from tsunamis?

Also, 70 miles is not REALLY far for pyroclastic flow.: That shit travels at HUNDREDS OF MILES PER HOUR.
Fukushima was a compound failure.
Would it have happened without the Tsunami?

Plus, pyroclastic flow it super dangerous. why would you want a nuke plant downstream of potential PC flow?
reaching speeds of up to 700 km/h (430 mph). The gases can reach temperatures of about 1,000 °C (1,830 °F).
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:44 pm It's this type of argument that puts the whole thing on shaky ground (pun intended).

Us 'pro' folks have to be reasonable or we look like morons (same with anything politically).
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What's reasonable about locating a nuke plant potentially right in the path of pyroclastic flow doe?
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:03 pm
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What's reasonable about locating a nuke plant potentially right in the path of pyroclastic flow doe?
Absolutely nothing. I'm with you 100%
So about that smooching...
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wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:43 pm
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:40 pm

Fukushima was a compound failure.
Would it have happened without the Tsunami?

Plus, pyroclastic flow it super dangerous. why would you want a nuke plant downstream of potential PC flow?
reaching speeds of up to 700 km/h (430 mph). The gases can reach temperatures of about 1,000 °C (1,830 °F).
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No. But i've also gone into detail before about the failures of Fukushima from both a design perspective and human / operational / procedural failures. I don't care to rehash it. That was 100% a man made disaster that simply was not mitigated per the plants' design basis. The plants are not walkaway safe (nor are any current designs) and that's essentially what they did from the machines' point of view.

RE: in the path of a volcano. This sounds super terrible. I'll look into it more for the sake of argument.

OK, this is lolz. Article did not name the plant, so i tried to find it on google earth. Gave up and found it named in another article. Google erth'ed it.

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see all that blue shit between the two circles? That's called water. The plant is on a different fucking island.

Consider whats going on here.... "The decision reverses a lower court ruling and upholds the plaintiffs' request for an injunction through September to protect the safety of residents "
What. FUCKING. residents. This type of eruption event would level the entire area and kill millions all on its own. Also consider that typically volcanoes don't just go BOOM most of the time. We usually get lots of warning. That's not to say its not possible, but its unlikely.

So yea, i was intellectually honest and did a 10,00 ft level check that 'most reasonable people would not consider this a bad idea' and confirmed that the Japanese judge is a moron and/or has an axe to grind.
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:44 pm It's this type of argument that puts the whole thing on shaky ground (pun intended).

Us 'pro' folks have to be reasonable or we look like morons (same with anything politically).
Agree. see above post. Most reasonable people that are not anti-n00k to begin with would say that's reasonably far away.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:12 am
wap wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:43 pm

Would it have happened without the Tsunami?

Plus, pyroclastic flow it super dangerous. why would you want a nuke plant downstream of potential PC flow?


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No. But i've also gone into detail before about the failures of Fukushima from both a design perspective and human / operational / procedural failures. I don't care to rehash it. That was 100% a man made disaster that simply was not mitigated per the plants' design basis. The plants are not walkaway safe (nor are any current designs) and that's essentially what they did from the machines' point of view.

RE: in the path of a volcano. This sounds super terrible. I'll look into it more for the sake of argument.

OK, this is lolz. Article did not name the plant, so i tried to find it on google earth. Gave up and found it named in another article. Google erth'ed it.

Image

see all that blue shit between the two circles? That's called water. The plant is on a different fucking island.

Consider whats going on here.... "The decision reverses a lower court ruling and upholds the plaintiffs' request for an injunction through September to protect the safety of residents "
What. FUCKING. residents. This type of eruption event would level the entire area and kill millions all on its own. Also consider that typically volcanoes don't just go BOOM most of the time. We usually get lots of warning. That's not to say its not possible, but its unlikely.

So yea, i was intellectually honest and did a 10,00 ft level check that 'most reasonable people would not consider this a bad idea' and confirmed that the Japanese judge is a moron and/or has an axe to grind.
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:44 pm It's this type of argument that puts the whole thing on shaky ground (pun intended).

Us 'pro' folks have to be reasonable or we look like morons (same with anything politically).
Agree. see above post. Most reasonable people that are not anti-n00k to begin with would say that's reasonably far away.
Pyroclastic flow travels just as easily over water as it does over land.

And again, I'm not anti nuke powaaahh, I'm anti unsafe, insufficiently regulated nuke powaaahh
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/11/ ... mer-bills/

Hey, lets close the plant, and charge you for it. (NB-this is supposed to be built into the 'rate' of a nuclear plant already)

fucking california.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:07 am https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/j ... -2021.html

holy bad idea batman...
Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't more power mean more heat to generate said power and aren't current steam systems designed around the amount of heat produced?
heat no, flow yes. IE you have a triangle, power, pressure, flow. you cant bump the pressure or the temperature, so you bump the flow.

Its not the steam plant side of things I'd worry about, its the nuclear safety systems that were designed for x amount of decay heat, x amount surface area for fuel, etc, etc.


I mean, the whole POINT of commercial LWR design is to keep the power density low.
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So uh.... in nuclear news...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... on-spread/
State monitoring has found that plutonium and americium particles traveled as far as 10 miles from the demolition site, near Richland.
I live 10 miles from the site in Richland...
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haleyann wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:09 am So uh.... in nuclear news...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... on-spread/
State monitoring has found that plutonium and americium particles traveled as far as 10 miles from the demolition site, near Richland.
I live 10 miles from the site in Richland...
Hanford is a disaster.
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I'm going on a tour of the Hanford B Reactor tomorrow! I'll post some pics later.
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